Transcript of Reading by Medium Kathleen Tucci, February 17, 2004
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March 17, 1980 - January 9, 2004
The following transcript is the exact copy of a group reading done on the telephone with psychic medium Kathleen Tucci from Dallas, Texas, on Tuesday night, February 17, 2004. Ms. Tucci (Kat) had never met any of us, did not know who had passed or anything about Bryan whatsoever. For all she knew, it could have been a spouse, parent, grandparent or anyone at all ... we did not tell her we were trying to connect with anyone specific or that we had lost a son.
We were on speakerphone and Kat was introduced to Kathy, Mike, and Amberly. We also told her there were some "other people" present to listen but did not tell her who they were. These were Bryan's Grandma Mary, his Aunt Sherry R., and Aunt Lori. We were not sure Bryan would even be the one who came through but we were hoping he would be. We need not have worried! He was "out of the box" and running from the very first minute! He had so much to say and the results were nothing short of spectacular. Kat's comments will be in blue, our responses or comments will be in green, and side notes (validations or clarifications) will be in parentheses or in brown. These side notes will be for the purpose of clarifying or validating the comments being made. OK, here we go ....
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Kat: Ok, you're going to hear me refer to people above me, or above you, either or, which is parents, grandparents, someone older than you. To your side would be brother, sister, cousin, or friend. And then below you, of course, is children. Now, they'll be specific with names and dates and specific stories that are relevant to either them or collectively between you and them so there should be no doubt as far as to who it is that's coming through. Are you ready to begin?
Us: Sure
Kat: Great. Give me a second to get my energy going here. First person there I've got a male figure coming through ... they're ... Kathy, I think I'm gonna start with you cause it'll just be easier for me if I've got a point person on the other side from your house I need to talk with. Kathy, they're saying that this, they're below you. It's a male figure ... do you have a son crossed over?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Ok, well he's acknowledging son figure. He's wanting to say the name Tammy? Does he have a friend named Tammy?
Kathy: Yes, yes he does.
Kat: Ok. Has he not been -- just yes or no -- has he not been gone very long?
Kathy: No, he hasn't been gone long.
Kat: He's telling me that his passing ... he didn't pass too long ago.
Kathy: No, not very long at all.
Kat: And ... let me give him a chance to give me more information ... he's connecting a 3 to his passing. Did he pass on the 3rd of a month or ... it wouldn't be in the month of March cause that's coming up ...
Kathy: That's his birthday.
Kat: Did he pass on the 3rd day?
Kathy: No he didn't but his birthday is on the 3rd ... in the third of the month ... I mean March .. his birthday is in March.
Kat: Wait a minute ... is it in March or on the 3rd of a month?
Kathy: No, his birthday's in March.
Kat: Ok, well, he's connecting a 3 to him but why is he saying around his passing? Is there someone else that passed in March also?
Kathy: No ... did your Dad? (asking Mike)
Mike: My mother.
Kathy: My mother-in-law passed in March.
Kat: His grandmother ... ok, that's his way of just letting you know that he's connected with the other person that passes in March on the other side, so he's just letting you know that he's connected with Grandma on the other side and they're there together. Now he's saying that ... did they try -- just say yes or no -- did they try to revive him?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: They took heroic measures because he's acknowledging that he's watching them take heroic measures but that he was -- was he like actually flatlined or pronounced dead and then they tried to bring him back?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Cause that's the way he's giving it to me.
Kathy: Yes, he was gone before they got here but they tried anyway for us.
Kat: Well, just for what it's worth, I mean -- and please know that I do this for a living -- I do this all the time, so I'm going to try to say this as sensitive as I can but I want to keep going because I don't want to lose anything that he might want to try to get out. He's saying that he's purposely saying this because he wants you to know that he made the conscious choice to go and not stay.
Kathy: Ok
Kat: And that he's very happy where he's at, he feels very comfortable, he's very much at peace but that when he was on the other side, he made the conscious determination to go. Was he home at a certain time where he normally wouldn't have been home when this takes place?
Kathy: No
Kat: Or was he wherever this event happens when he passes ... was he at a place where he normally isn't at at that time?
Kathy: No ... earlier in the evening he was.
Kat: Ok, well if that makes sense to you what he's saying ... he's just giving me the impression that he was somewhere where he normally isn't at a specific time ... that he's usually not there at that time that he was there. I don't know any other way to say it ... it's just that's the way he's giving it to me.
Kathy: Ok, I think I know what he's trying to say. (Bryan was out earlier that evening and met up with people who gave him the heroin that killed him later ... so he was definitely not supposed to be there ... he was supposed to be at home)
Kat: Hopefully he'll give me more information to help clarify. ............... Did he have asthma or difficulty breathing ...
Kathy: No (I had psychic amnesia at first ... Bryan was found with his head face down on the bed and his face buried in the comforter. My first thought was that he couldn't breathe so I tried to roll him over so he could. So the problem with the breathing was definitely related to this.)
(Follow-up to this on April 3, 2004: We received the autopsy report and the cause of death was pulmonary edema and congestion. Pulmonary edema is a build-up of fluid in the lungs, so now we know that what he was referring to was EXACTLY what caused his passing. I had thought it was just the sheets, but he was being much more accurate than that! This validation that has come two months after the reading amazed us!)
Kat: ... before he passes?
Kathy: No ... maybe that night ... I mean, that's possible that at the time he died, he might have
Kat: I'm saying either he's saying he had asthma or he's saying at the time of his passing, I'm not sure which, when he's telling that it was difficult to breathe. But again, he's saying that ...
Kathy: Yes, I understand that.
Kat: But he wants you to know also, and maybe you know the circumstances surrounding his death, so far he hasn't been clear to me yet. But he's saying that he didn't suffer.
Kathy: Good ... thank you ... it was fast ...
Kat: He's claiming ... hang on ... let me see if I can get more information first real quick and then I'll tell you what he's telling me.
Kathy: Ok
Kat: I can hear you all whispering ...
All: Laughing
Amberly: I'm so happy ... I love him.
Kat: Oh, he knows. All you have to do is think it, he knows. Ok, hopefully he'll keep going ... I mean I know he's going to keep talking but I mean I want him to pontificate on what he's showing me ... he's telling me that he gave ...... if people looked back, and maybe this is something you've already discussed, but there were signs ... there were telltale signs (that he was getting ready to cross over) ...
Kathy: Yes, absolutely ...
Kat: ... on a soul's level, he knew he was passing prior to his passing
Kathy: Yep, ok ...
Kat: And that's why he's trying to again revisit the fact that he made the conscious choice to continue to stay on the other side and not come back. That it was his time to go, you know.
Kathy: We understand that.
Kat: Was he in the middle of a project or book or something he was writing when he passes? I'm not saying that's the activity he was doing when he passes but that there was a project that was left undone ... that's the way it's coming across.
Kathy: Yep, his trip to Florida. Yes, absolutely.
Kat: He's sending his apologies that that didn't finish ...
Kathy: Aww ... tell him not to worry.
Kat: He's showing me an ST ... so I don't know if his name starts with ST or if he's just trying to acknowledge a Stan or Steven or something that involves ST. He's showing me an ST.
Kathy: No, we're not getting that one. (We realized the next day that he may have been referring to Steve, his second cousin who crossed over when he was 21 ... many years ago. Update on March 6: It was brought to our attention that a neighbor's son of my sister's is also suffering from heroin addiction and is in desperate need of help. His name is Steve ... it's very possible that Bryan could have been bringing this to our attention so that we would be able to make his family aware of this website and the help available now with the new medication buprenorphine and the Florida care facility that Bryan was going to be living in. As Bryan says later in this transcript, awareness is very important to him and working with heroin sufferers is part of his mission in heaven)
Kat: I wonder if somebody has those initials ... first name and last name are S.T.? I'm just going to keep going ... if somebody can write that down, you can always visit that later.
Kathy: OK
Kat: Kathy, did you do something as a memoriam ... wait, before you answer that .... he says you're not finished with it yet
Kathy: Yes (this website)
Kat: You started it but you haven't finished
Kathy: Yes, I work on it every day
Kat: He wants you to know that he sees what you're doing and he appreciates that and thank you, and that whatever this is that you're doing, I guess it's going to also, aside from memorializing him or a way of remembering him, it's also going to affect others. He wants you to know that he sees that.
Kathy & Amberly: Aww ... that's awesome! That's so great! He sees that I'm doing a website and he likes it.
Amberly: He's here with us.
Kat: You know, sometimes they show me things or I'll hear him say something ...sometimes it's what we call claircognizance where it's like, I don't know any other way to say it, but it's like a knowing of what he wants me to say. And he keeps saying the word "Tremendous" over and over and over and I keep asking him, "What? What about tremendous? Why do you keep ... you know, what else? Tremendous what?" Do you know why he would just continue to say that one word over and over? Did somebody say that a lot or something? I mean, it doesn't make sense to me why he's saying the word tremendous.
Kathy: No ... maybe just that this experience right now is tremendous, I don't know.
Kat: Yeah, I guess ... I mean, it could be as simple as that. I mean, it is huge. It's wild!
Amberly: He suffered here ... maybe because he's not suffering there.
Kat: Pardon me?
Amberly: He suffered when he was here, maybe it's tremendous that he's not suffering over there. (We believe today that he was relating the word "tremendous" to the website ... he really likes it!)
Kat: True, true, possibly ....................... I'm giving him a chance to ..............there are three birthdays in the same month .... I'm trying to get him to tell me which month. I don't know which month it is ... I think it's September. Either he's saying there's a birthday in September and then there's also another month with three birthdays or he's acknowledging that there are three birthdays in September, I'm not sure which way he means. Do you guys understand that?
Mike: My mom ...
Kathy: Oh! OK ... yes, there are three in September, you hit it. That's right!
Kat: Ok, well, I'm only as good as he is. And he's really strong, so ...
Amberly: Yay! I knew he would be ...
Kat: Now try not to ...... I really want to get the information from him, ok? Before ... the grandparent that was there with him was Dad's mother, right?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Cause he's saying that there's another, aside from Dad's mom, there's another grandparent that's there with him, but I get that it's on your side, Kathy, is that right?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Cause he wants you to know that he's hooked up with both of them
Kathy: It's actually a great-grandparent, it's my grandmother and grandfather too.
Kat: And the great-grandmother, from your side Kathy, her name was the same name as someone else in the family?
Kathy: No
Kat: She's saying "same name," so either her name is similar or the J name is someone else in the family.
Kathy: Does it have to be the same side of the family? (Another psychic amnesia ... her name is Jo and is the same as Joe who is also crossed over)
Kat: No.
Kathy: Ok, then yes, definitely. (finally connected!)
Kat: She's just saying that in that circle of family or friends, in your group, so-to-speak, there is another person with her name and that's the way she's like ... I'm trying to get her to give me her name but that's the way she's identifying herself. Was she kind of short?
Kathy: Yeah ... (laughter)
Kat: Good personality ... very sweet ... did she like to laugh a lot?
Kathy: Oh, yeah
Kat: Because she's very happy ... she comes across very happy and kind of giddy almost ... she likes to laugh. Was she big on wearing scarves too?
Kathy: Yeah
Kat: Because she like has all these different colored scarves on. (This is in reference to the fact that my grandmother taught me to crochet and she saw all the different colored scarves I made for everyone this past Christmas) And somebody on that side of the family is doing their geneology? She wants you to know that she sees that you're doing this.
Mary (to us): Your dad's been doing that for years.
Kathy: Yes, not one of us, but someone is, yes.
Kat: Amber, are you going back to school? Had you dropped out of school and now you're going back to school?
Amberly: I'm not back yet
Kat: Do you have plans to go back? Cause your brother is acknowledging that you are going back to school.
Amberly: He wants me to go back to school ... he always did. I'm very close to getting my degree but I haven't yet gotten back into it.
Kat: Well, that's just his way of giving you a shot from the other side.
Us: Laughing
Kat: They very much keep their personalities intact ... it's wild
Amberly: Yes, he is
Kat: Was he a writer? Did he write stories? Was he a storyteller or did he write stories?
Kathy: He did a lot of writing, yes.
Kat: Ok, cause he just keeps showing me writing, writing, writing
Amberly: He wrote several journal entries and wrote to God and prayed a lot when he was here. We didn't know he was such a writer until after he passed though.
Kat: Oh, wow
Amberly: We weren't really aware of the gift .. we found them all
Kat: Wow! But he's telling me that some of these ... what he wrote ... he's saying will be displayed
Kathy: Yes. Does he want them displayed?
Kat: Yes! No, no, he's giving me a big smile.
Kathy: Ok, cause they're kind of personal
Kat: No, he says that ... I mean, from a personal level, the way he's coming across is, kay sera sera, I don't care, the way he's giving it to me is what's in these journals will help others.
Amberly: Yes
Kat: ... so you should display them
Amberly: Awesome
Kat: And a predominant color of red involved in this, whatever this is, how you're going to display them, is there a lot of red? Or is one of the journals red or wherever you're going to display them is it red?
Kathy: Yes (I have a red shirt that he wore that still has his scent that I keep folded up on the bed in his room. The journals are nearby.)
Kat: Ok, well that's just his way of letting you know he knows what he's talking about, that he's watching. And is it .. hang on a second .. let me get this better. Is there a glass coffee table where you guys are sitting right now?
Kathy: No ... but I think I might know what he means by that
Kat: Ummm ... no, he's saying there's something ... there's a table made of glass where you guys are and that's the way he's giving it to me. There's a table made of glass where you guys are?
Kathy: Not ... it's in another room
Kat: Ok .. is there something also predominantly green in the same room?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Ok ... well he likes that ... for what it's worth, he likes that room so I don't know if you guys feel his energy in that room more than you do in another place ...
Kathy: Yes, yes, I know exactly what he means now.
Amberly: He loved that room ... he always sat in that room.
Kathy: There's a green sofa he sat at and there's glass table he always ate in there right next to it so that was his spot.
Kat: Awesome! Man, he's something else!
Kathy: We have like a little shrine to him in there now ... I feel him in there all the time.
Kat: Wow! That's cool. You know, I've had a hell of a day here in Dallas. I'm so glad I didn't cancel. I was going to call you guys ... I was a heartbeat away from saying can we reschedule?
Kathy: Oh no!
Kat: I'm so glad we didn't
Amberly: I'm so glad ... I've been asking him to come
Kat: Well, it worked! He keeps saying ... is there someone below him that has ... let me say it another way ... is there someone that's younger than him that has his name, that has the same name as him?
Kathy: No, not that I can think of
Kat: But is younger than him
Kathy: No
Kat: Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong ... he's saying to me "next generation my name" ... does he have the name of someone else that might be older than him then? That he's the next generation?
Kathy: No, but I think I know what he's referring to.
Kat: Just so you know that the exact way he's giving it to me is "next generation my name"
Kathy: I know what he's talking about
Amberly: Is it me? Having a kid?
Kathy: No, it's something else. It's a message he gave to your dad that your dad hasn't told anybody but me, so we're keeping that to ourselves. I think that's what he's referring to.
Kat: Ok ... cool ... awesome ... I love when they do that stuff! ......................... Do you know a Henry?
Kathy: No
Kat:He's saying the name Henry to me. Or he wants me to say Henry.
Kathy: I've never heard of Henry.
Kat: Sometimes they'll give us stuff that is coming up in the future just to let us know that they are around and they see what's going on so don't be surprised if maybe like involving this project you're doing to memorialize him or whatever there might be a Henry that becomes prominent in that, you know
Kathy: OK
Kat: I mean, they're real purposeful with what they throw out there. They've got a limited amount of energy to do this so they like to get the best bang for their buck so to speak, you know. And is someone in the family a fireman?
Kathy: No
Kat: Did he have a friend that was a fireman?
Kathy: No
Mike: The closest I can get to it on my side, I had an uncle, my dad's brother-in-law, who was a volunteer fireman in Pleasant Hills.
Kat: Has he crossed over?
Mike: Yes
Kat: I bet you that's his way of letting you know that he's connected with the fireman because he keeps showing me a fireman
Mike: That's interesting ... the man I'm talking ...
Kat: And you know ... wait a minute ... he's saying that he did not know this man, right?
Kathy: Right
Kat: He's saying even though I didn't know him when I was alive ... your son is saying this ...that the bonds of your family have made them connect on the other side
Kathy: Wow.
Kat: What were you going to say Mike?
Mike: The man that passed that was a fireman lost his son when he was in college and that really affected the rest of his life. Anyway, that's the only fireman I can think of.
Kathy: He wanted to be a fireman
Kat: No, I'm going to go with my first instinct because he's actually showing me a man, a fireman, in full get-up, so I really think he's just letting you know that he's connected with the fireman on the other side.
Mike: That's interesting ... ok
Kat: Wait ... I'm giving him a chance to ramp up some more energy. He's done a lot in 20 minutes! (laughing) And everybody ... just so you know there are other people behind him but they're being quiet, they're like just giving him the stage.
Kathy: Good! That's what we wanted
Kat: Someone else .. Mom, I think it's you ... I think it's you, Kathy ... are you writing a book?
Kathy: No (However, I am writing the Journal of Miracles on his web site ... perhaps he meant that)
Kat: He's acknowledging that someone there is writing a book
Kathy: (to Mike) what about that thing you're writing?
Mike: That's not a book
Kathy: We're all writing various things, but no one's writing a book unless he considers ....
Kat: Let me ... I'm asking him to be more specific ............. whatever this is, this manuscript of the writings, somebody keeps them bound with like a rubber band or string, it's wrapped, it's bound with something. Does that make sense?
Kathy: No, nothing that I can think of at the moment
Kat: Is there a health professional, like a nurse or caregiver that he became very close to?
Mike: Yes
Kat: During his ............. because he's giving me the impression that he suffered for a while before he passes and this caregiver .................... have you asked them -- just yes or no -- to be involved in this project as far as memorializing him?
Mike: No
Amberly: No, we have not
Kat: Well, he's telling me that you should include this person, like get them to put their feelings and thoughts and their experience down on paper and that it would be a good dynamic as far as educating others that went through what he went though by looking at it from the caregiver's point of view.
Kathy & Mike: Ok, good
Kat: But there is, you know what, he's adding more. He's saying that when you first ask them, they're not going to want to do it, but push them, and then they'll go ahead and oblige you and give you the information.
Mike: Ok
Kat: Mike ... since he's passed -- just yes or no -- has he appeared to you in a dream?
Mike: No ... I think I'm the only one
Kat: Oh ... that's why he singled you out ... that's why I said yes or no cause he's saying you're the only one but I thought he meant you're the only one that he appeared to in a dream, that's why I came to you. But he's come to you, Kathy, and he's come to you Amber?
Kathy: No, he hasn't come to me in a dream. I've heard ... I've woke up with songs from him in my head but I haven't seen him in a dream yet, so..........
Kat: Amber, what about you?
Amberly: Yes, he came to me in a dream. I was going to ask if he could validate it.
Kat: I'm hoping that maybe he will pontificate on the dream but I can tell you, based on my experience, I can really, truly believe that he is trying to say the reason he wanted me to go to Dad first cause he specifically said, "Dad is the only one." And I think what he meant was that, Mike, he's going to come to you later but that yes, Kathy, that was a visit from him, what you heard, I mean that he put those songs there and that, Amber, that truly was a visit, his coming to you in a dream but I'm asking him to validate that.
Mike: Ok
Kat: He's specifically saying "visit" but then he's saying, "Dad's the only one." That's why originally I thought he meant you were the only one he visited. .............................. Do you know the song ... keep in mind that I threw that question out there and he'll continue to figure out a way to answer it if he wants to ... but right now he's talking about a song, I think, I don't remember the author or the singer but it's a country and western song and that one of the verses is "on the wings of a snow white dove"
Kathy: Ok
Kat: Are you familiar with that song?
Amberly: Do you know it, Mom?
Kat: It's a country and western song. Do the wings of a snow white dove make sense? Why he would be ...
Kathy: Yes (He is referring to the white feathers we have received as messages and/or signs from him)
Kat: Ok, as long as you know what he means
Kathy: Yes, I do
Kat: Ok, cause he keeps playing that same verse over and over, "on the wings of a snow white dove" .................. Kathy, do you collect angels?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Is there an angel that actually has his name?
Kathy: Not yet
Kat: Were you going to make an angel with his name on it or something?
Kathy: No ... I just put an angel bear on his bed, so it's ... there's an angel on his bed that I just put there
Amberly: She collects bears and it's an angel bear with wings
Kat: Ok, maybe that's what he means then cause he's connecting it to himself ... I thought that ... that's what I thought he meant ... there was an angel that you had that had his name on it. ....................... Whatever was wrong with him -- just yes or no -- was it something involving the blood?
Kathy: No (Another psychic amnesia ... he died from a shot of heroin he injected into his blood)
Amberly: Sort of
Kathy: Well, yes, ok, yes
Kat: Ok, cause he's telling me like that's how it started or that's what makes it travel or something, I don't know.
Kathy: Yes, I understand that
Kat: This is rare, right, what he had?
Kathy: No (More amnesia ... the way he used the heroin that night, with a needle rather than snorting, was rare for him to do. Or it could be referring to the heroin being a "hot shot" which means it was a purer, rarer, more deadly heroin than normal as it was uncut)
Kat: It's not rare?
Kathy: No
Amberly: It's strange
Kat: He's telling me that it's a very rare form, whatever this is. Did he have a rare blood type maybe?
Kathy: No
Kat: Well, let me give it to you the way he's giving it to me because I'm losing something in the interpretation that maybe you'll understand it and I can't. He's showing me a blood stream and blood flowing through the body and then he says very rare. That's why I assumed he meant that his illness was a rare type of something to do with the blood but ...
Kathy: I think I can interpret that the way that he means it, I think
Kat: Oki ... is there a Candace or a Candy or somebody that who has that name in your group of family or friends?
Kathy: No, we don't know a Candy, do we?
Kat: No Candace?
Kathy: No (In retrospect, I'm thinking this might have be a reference to Connie - Constance - my sister who died at birth. The other thing we thought he was referring to was the bowl of Hershey kisses we just put out by all his pictures and flowers that we have ... his little shrine in the kitchen ... we set the candy with them)
Kat: And there are twins in your family?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Cause he's bringing up twins
Kathy: He's acknowledging them ... that's sweet ... there are....
Kat: Do the twins have different names? By that I mean, it's like they don't rhyme. Like some people if they have twins it's like Jeff and Julie, you know, or Jeremy and Jeff. You know, they try to make them something similar about their names? Are these twins... are their names like Maggie and Susie or like something totally different, do you understand what I mean?
Amberly: No but give more .. is it just that they're different
Kat: Well, I really thought he meant the physical names are different
Kathy: No, the names weren't different
Kat: The names are similar? Then I'm misunderstanding what he's saying. Let me see if he'll give it to me in another way. You know what ... let me tell you what he's showing me. Do you guys ever watch Everybody Loves Raymond?
Kathy: No
Kat: Do you ever watch that anybody?
All: Occasionally, yeah
Kat: I'm having a hard time hearing you guys
Mike: Sometimes we watch it, yes
Kat: Well the two little boys, blond haired, their names are Jeffrey and Michael. And that's what he's showing me is the twins on Raymond. So that's why I thought, those names don't rhyme or anything, they're different, that's what I thought he meant. Are these just twin boys maybe?
Kathy: No
Kat: Ok, then I'm at a loss. Maybe he just wanted me to say twins, what the difference is, I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Kathy: It's a girl and a boy. Could that be it?
Kat: Oh, maybe that's what he means by them being different.
Kathy: Yeah, their names are similar but it's a girl and a boy
Kat: Ok, sorry ..................... I'm sure they would appreciate me saying they were different
All: Laughing, yes they would (In retrospect, I now believe that the Raymond reference wasn't to the twins thing at all. I think Bryan was trying to validate the fact that his middle name is Raymond and his grandfather's first name is Raymond, thereby being the same name but different. I think he was trying to acknowledge his grandfather this way.)
Kat: And someone's getting married this summer
Kathy: It's a surprise if they are!
Kat: Cause he's saying he's going to be at the wedding
Kathy: Wow
Amberly: Who?
Kat: Two weddings?
Us: No, no, WHO?? (Laughing)
Kat: Oh, you guys don't have a wedding coming up? I mean, you don't know of one that's scheduled yet?
Kathy: No, nobody's even engaged ...
Kat: Ohhh ... ok ............... do you know a Tom?
Amberly: I do, yes.
Kat: Does that make sense that he would be getting married or someone in that family or connected to him would be getting married? (Follow-up to this part of the reading on June 2, 2004: Amberly is going to a wedding on June 5 that she was just invited to ... by a friend she recently met through her friend Tom! So Bryan predicted this event back in February and now it is coming to pass.)
------------ The following portion occurred during a break in the tape ... we have reconstructed it from our notes --------------
Kat: Did you have a dog that used to dig holes in the back yard? He is saying this dog is with him ..... it isn't a recent dog but a long time ago .....
Mike: Yes, we had a sheepdog that was very destructive and dug holes in the backyard. Bryan was just a baby and wouldn't remember it ...
Kat: He's saying the dog is there with him. ............................. Does someone have a bladder infection? Or had one? He's telling me about a bladder infection ...
Kathy: I think he's referring to my bout with kidney stones a few months ago. It was very painful. Could that be what he's showing you?
Kat: Yes ... that's in the same vicinity as bladder ... he's bringing that up............ He's also telling me someone likes Girl Scout cookies ...
Kathy: Yes! Amberly LOVES Thin Mint Girl Scout cookies and I just brought a box home last week!
Kat: Do you have a summer home or a second home? Like a retreat somewhere? He's talking about another home, not your primary residence. It's not like in the woods ... there are no trees ... it's like on the beach or near the water ...
Kathy: Well, we don't have one yet, but we've been talking about it for the last year. My dream house is a house on the ocean ... (When Bryan and I were in California last year, we drove around neighborhoods near Laguna Beach looking at the houses. For the last year, I've had a realtor sending me listings on the market for ocean-view homes ... Bryan would look at these with me and we would dream about it!)
Kat: Well, he's tell me you're going to get it!
Kathy & Mike: Great! That's wonderful! Maybe we'll win the lottery (laughing)
--------------- Now we go back to the original taped actual reading --------------
Kat: Is there a Mary there? Is she there in the room?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Ok, cause he's like "she's there in the room but she's not speaking up!"
Amberly: Oh, my God!
Mary: I haven't said a word yet.
Kat: (Laughing) ... Aside from him, is there another "B" name? Also? Because he's showing me another "B" that he's trying to acknowledge.
Amberly: That he goes by or somebody else?
Kat: No, somebody else ... there's another "B" name. That person is still living, he says.
Amberly: There's several "Bob's" that are still living .. . I mean, B names
Kat: I think, Amber, he's saying it's a contemporary to him, somebody that's more along either the same age as him or relatively what he would consider to his side like a sibling or cousin or friend, on that order. I don't get that from him that it's somebody that's really below him or really above him. Does that make more sense?
Kathy: No ... can't think of any (The next day we realized that he was probably referring to BROOKE ... his first love and the girl he visited on the night of his passing)
Kat: Is there someone that he used to go on long car rides with?
Kathy: Not with a "B" name
Kat: I'm trying to get him to give me more information. This same person -- just yes or no -- do you have an idea who he might be talking about that he went on long car rides with?
Amberly: Maybe
Kat: Ok, does this person also like bananas? Like they're a real banana person?
Amberly: Yes ...(whispering) Jay
Kat: He wants to acknowledge that person ... he's trying to say "Hey!" That person's still living, right?
All: Yes
Kat: He just wants you to know you're on the right track ... it's who you think it is. Did he used to sing in a choir?
Kathy: No
Kat: Did he sing in the shower or around the house?
Kathy: Oh, yeah, he sang all over the house
Kat: He's always singing, he's saying
Kathy: Oh, yes, he was
Kat: According to him, he had a beautiful voice, so ... (laughter) ... I don't know what you guys thought of it but he's like "I had a great voice!"
Amberly: Oh, I love it
Kat: Now, did he at one time have to shave his head or his hair was really short?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: He's talking about he liked it short
Kathy: Yes, I know he did but we didn't
Kat: I was going to say I think he was ... the way he's giving it to me is that before he did it, he was real apprehensive about whether or not he would like it but once he did it, he really liked it.
Kathy: Sounds right ... that's wild
Kat: Did he dye his hair a funky color once, too, like green or purple or blue or ?
Kathy: One time he did yes ... (to others) highlights, remember? Yeah, he did
Kat: Is August 9th someone's birthday, anniversary, or when they crossed?
Kathy: I'm sorry, what?
Kat: August 9th?
Mary: August 29th is your dad's birthday
Amberly: No, not August 9th
Kat: Well, just know that he said it to me, he didn't visually give it to me, he said it audibly, so if it's August 29th, it could have been that I just didn't hear the 20 unless right or wrong you figure out an August 9th date but he's trying to acknowledge either their birthday, anniversary or when they passed.
Kathy: Ok (Grandpa Ray's birthday is August 29th)
Kat: He's saying it's a significant date. ............... he's saying someone else's birthday -- I think he means their birthday, not their death date -- that their birthday is on a holiday.
Amberly: Say that again
Kat: He wants to acknowledge someone's birthday that is on a holiday
Amberly: His
Kat: His birthday is on a holiday?
Amberly: Yes
Kat: Oh!
Amberly: St. Paddy's Day
Kathy: You don't think it was his he was talking about?
Kat: Yeah, it could have been ... I was just surprised that he didn't tell me that it was his. Unless you have more than one person in the family that has a birthday on a holiday.
Kathy: We do
Kat: Oh, you do? Then that's probably why he did that. I'll tell you, they're sneaky. They get the best bang for their buck, they really do. ......................... There's a Jon on the other side with him that he wants you to know he's connected with ... that he's connected with this person ... his name's Jon ... I don't think they're a blood relative, I think it's just like a friend of a friend or ...
Kathy: Are you sure it's Jon?
Kat: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Jon. He's saying it but it's pretty clear, it sounds like Jon.
Kathy: Ok
Kat: I don't think that they necessarily did a TV show about your son ... but was there a TV show about ... that's similar to how he passes, did they make a TV show about that?
Amberly: Yes (There is a video online that depicts a person dying from a heroin overdose ... his name was Jon, so perhaps this is the Jon Bryan has met on the other side. We have a link to this video on his website on the LInks page.)
Kat: Ok, cause he's acknowledging that there was a TV show that was made that was similar to how he passes.
Amberly: Exactly, yes
Kat: Awareness is a really big deal for him.
Kathy: What is?
Kat: Awareness.
Kathy: Awareness?
Kat: Yeah, like whatever you're doing to memorialize him or help touch other lives, help create awareness, that's a big deal for him. He's just saying that.
Kathy & Mike: Ok ... that's good
Kat: Is there a long winding road to get to your house? The house that you're in now?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Ok, cause he's just showing me this long, winding road to get to where he's saying is the house that you guys are in now. Are there mirrors on the trees on this road?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: He's trying to tell me the area. ................. Do you guys have like hors d'oeuvres out?
Kathy: I can't hear .. say it again.
Kat: Do you have hors d'oeuvres out right now? LIke crackers or hors d'oeuvres that you guys are picking on?
Kathy: People are eating dinner
Kat: You're in the middle of eating dinner while we're doing this?
Kathy: Yes, one of us is, kind of munching
Kat: Well, he just let me know it's like a party, it's very relaxed ..
Amberly: We brought pie ... yep, it is a party
Kat: Awesome ... well, that's his way of letting you know, "I'm standing there watching you" but I'm trying to get him to give me more of the room of where you guys are at or just to let you know his presence is there but you probably already know that so no need for him to justify it I guess.
(LONG PAUSE HERE ... I was looking at my notepad and the words, all in caps, "THANK YOU FOR VALENTINE'S DAY" and I was thinking about all the gifts he managed to give me, 5 of which came in the mail when Kat finally says ................ )
Kat: Kathy, I think this is -- and I apologize to anyone else if I get this wrong -- I think it's for you specifically, ummm, he's saying, "Boy, weren't you surprised at what you got in the mail."
Amberly: OH MY GOD! WOW!
Kathy: Yes, I was. I was just sitting here thinking about all that too. Wow!
Kat: That's exactly the way he said it, just so you know.
Amberly: That is awesome ... oh my God!
Kat: Laughing ...
Kathy: Thanks, honey, there was more than one thing, too
Kat: That's great
Kathy: Unbelievable ... I can't believe this (I received 5 gift items in the mail that day from him - read Journal of Miracles for Feb. 14th!)
Kat: It's hard being .. you know, when it's quiet like that, but that's when you get the best messages. (referring to long pause before this message came through)
Kathy: That's ok
Kat: Cause he's like really ramping up, you know (laughing) ................. it' super ... all these things that he puts in front of me to get me to say them.
Kathy: Can you see him?
Kat: No ... it's as if he's standing behind me ... you know when somebody stands behind you and talks, sometimes they'll move around to the front and I can actually see them, but right now it's as if he's standing behind me. You know when he talked about his hair, what he's showing me is just like a head by itself with no face on it with very little hair.
Kathy: Ok
Kat: Is somebody's cell phone broke? He wants me to let you guys know he knows that somebody's cell phone broke.
Kathy: Ok
Kat: It's no big deal ... I think he's just trying to let you know that he's there.
Amberly: I know exactly what it is
Kat: That he sees what's going on. Somebody is in the medical profession that's connected to the family?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: He's acknowledging medical. Was he going to go down that path also?
Kathy: No
Kat: Was he really good friends with a specific doctor?
Kathy: I can't say that he was.
Mike: Dr. Yates helped him
Kat: I'm trying to understand what he's telling me ... it's like ... obviously if he was sick or ill, that immediately connects him with doctors, so that's too general but it's as if it's a personal relationship between him and this doctor.
Amberly: Maybe this will help you: he wasn't sick or ill
Kat: Oh, he wasn't
Amberly: No this was very sudden
Kat: If one of his friends, maybe, was their parent a doctor or something?
Amberly: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, yeah
Kathy: Who?
Amberly: Sherry
Kat: This is a personal relationship, it's not a doctor/patient relationship. It's like a friend, and he's just trying to acknowledge that family or that person
Amberly: Could it be somebody ... his friend's or relative's mother that's in the medical profession? Could he be acknowledging them?
Kat: Yes, absolutely, that's what I'm saying ... totally ... that's the way it comes across. He wants to make sure that I understand It wasn't somebody that worked on him it was like a friend. So it's either a friend's parent or he has the direct relationship with that person that's in the medical field but he's just trying to ... it's just his way of saying "hi" to that family or recognizing them.
Amberly: Ok
(ANOTHER LONG PAUSE ... I was looking at my notepad and the next question that I had written on it was "Any messages for Jason?" I began circling the name Jason and felt Bryan was looking over my shoulder. I kept thinking Jason's name when Kat came on again ....)
Kat: Is there a JASON?
Mike: OH my GOD!
Kathy: I was just sitting here circling his name on my pad!!
Kat: Oh my God
Amberly: OH MY GOD!
Kathy: I was just thinking please say something about him, Bryan, and I was circling the name on my pad. So ... what's he saying?
Kat: Unbelievable! Hang on ... I'm getting over the shock here! (Laughter all around) Is Jason still living?
Amberly: Yes
Kat: All I get is just real happy vibes so I don't know if Jason was a good friend of his or if he just really loves Jason and that's what he's trying to say but I get really good vibes around Jason.
Kathy: Both
Amberly: Yep ... best friend in the world.
Kat: Ok. Write some more, mom ... (laughing)
Kathy: Jason's just been having a really hard time with Bryan being gone and we've all been getting so many signs from him and Jason hasn't been able to get any and I just wondered if there was anything that we could tell Jason to look for or some way that he can tune in to Bryan or recognize Bryan's signs to him, if there's something we can tell him from him.
Kat: Sure ... let me give Bryan a chance to answer. .................. Did Jason give Bryan a shirt? Cause he's acknowledging ... I think he's just trying to tease him from the other side but it's like "You can't have you shirt back."
(Laughter) (Bryan & Jason always exchanged clothes and Jason had taken several of Bryan's shirts -- some of which were actually Jason's -- since he passed and has been wearing them)
Kat: And I don't know if it's the same shirt or if it's something else that's made of material that somebody put in his casket? Did you guys put something in his casket that's made of material ... other than the clothes that he had on?
Kathy & All: Yes
Kat: Is that connected to Jason somehow?
Kathy: Not really, no
Kat: No? Ok, well, then it's probably just two different separate messages ... he wants to acknowledge also what was put in his casket that was made of material but not his clothing.
Kathy: I crocheted him an afghan right before Christmas that he loved and we put that in with him.
Kat: Oh, ok, cool. I'm continuing to ask him in regards to Jason and signs and stuff but he's also saying February 1st. Is February 1st significant for some reason?
Kathy: Not that I can think of.
Kat: Is that someone's birthday, anniversary, or...........
Kathy: No
Kat: Well, I don't know if that will have a meaning for Jason, but maybe February 1st ... he's saying February 1st in regards to Jason somehow maybe that'll mean something to Jason cause that's what I'm asking Bryan about right now is please give me something more that you can give to Jason so Jason will recognize you. (February 1st was signifcant to Jason as we found out later)
(Lots of room chatter)
Mike: That's good.
Kat: He seems very articulate, Bryan, I mean in knowing what he wants to say, you know.
Kathy: He's got a very strong spirit
Kat: Um hmm ... did he used to baby sit for money when he was younger?
Kathy: I think he did
Kat: I think maybe he's just reminiscing I don't know ... he's talking about babysitting when he was younger. ................... Is there any specific questions that you guys might want to ask him?
Kathy: Yes
Kat: Sometimes they're good about answering before he gets too weak to answer anything, you know
Kathy: I wondered who else he met over there or who helped him cross over ...
Amberly: who greeted him
Kat: Is there a Charles? A Chuck or a Charles?
Kathy: No
Kat: It sounds like ... I know it's "ch" but it sounds like Charles
Kathy: No ... we're drawing a blank on that one
Amberly: On the other side? (We have since connected this to a friend of the family who died of heroin ... his father is crossed over and his name is Charles. We believe he wanted us to get a message to his wife here that he came through.)
Kat: Yes, on the other side, that was there to greet him. Also, is there someone who at the end of their name, they're a third? You know what I mean?
Kathy: No, I know what you mean, but I can't think of anybody. (My grandfather was a third ... the third Philip ... I found this out a few days later)
Mike: No
Kat: Are there twins on the other side also? Is there a set of twins that crossed before Bryan?
Kathy: Not that we're aware of
Kat: Because he's talking about a set of twins on the other side also
Kathy: I know that there were twins somewhere in Grandpa's family, so there might be twins over there but they'd be far in the past (We found out the next day that Kathy's grandfather had a brother and sister who were twins, so Bryan has met them!)
Kat: Ok. You know, that's part of how we learn, too, we being mediums. I mean some of the things they come up with, like stuff like that, let's you know how far back people reach out. When I do galleries like you see on Crossing Over, I do that here in Dallas every Wednesday and very oftentimes ... sometimes we go way back to the 1800's ... it's amazing the stuff that comes through. People ... generations that didn't even know each other are there to greet others when they cross. I'm waiting to see what else he'll give me. ............... His funeral, you know how after the funeral, people will get together for dinner or a small celebration?
All: Uh huh ...
Kat: Was his like a raging party?
All: Laughing ... oh my God
Kat: Cause he's like this was like not real quiet, this was like a BLOW-OUT!
All: Yes
Kat: That's wild ... he just wants you to know he was there, that he saw it
Amberly: It was all about him ... don't think that we were not grieving and that we were having this big bash. He actually -- his friends all came in from out of town and actually had some beers and found Bryan's beer bong -- all this stuff, it was crazy. But like -- I can totally -- we were celebrating, his friends were celebrating Bryan's life instead of grieving.
Kat: That is awesome! That is so great and is so healthy and so wonderful. That's awesome!
Amberly: And it's so cool that he was partying with us .. we felt him here.
Kat: That's awesome. I'm sure they'll be so thankful to hear that from him.
Amberly: Oh, yes, definitely.
Kat: But he's like, I mean, that's what came across, he made me laugh first before I said it because he's like this was a major party, you know, very celebratory.
Amberly: That's so cool
Kat: There's a DA name that he's trying to mention too, so I don't know if one of his friends had a name that starts with DA .. I get more like it's a friend of his rather than a family member but if there''s a DA ................. and was there, like, a Hawaiian luau or ... you know what, let me tell you what he's showing me so I don't lose anything in the interpretation. He's showing me like a Hawaiian shirt and then like leis and then like there was a party that was more like a Hawaiian influence. Does that make sense?
Amberly: Recent or long time ago or?
Kat: I hate to speculate because I'm not getting it real strong from him, Amber, but it almost feels like it was more recent.
Kathy: I don't know .. I'm not sure
Kat: I'm like .... he dressed up in this. Was there a time where he dressed up in like Hawaiian get-up? It's almost like this is funny.
Kathy: I can't think of anything that was Hawaiian.
Amberly: I keep picturing him dressed up as a girl.
Kathy: I know, me too, but that wasn't really Hawaiian.
Kat: You know, he's talking about that too, though, and as far as like, I don't know if it was Halloween or whatever but dressing up, you know, and people laughing.
Amberly: Yes, because we found these pictures of him dressing up as a girl and his friends all dressed up like girls (for Halloween one year) and he had this big blond hair on ... it was the funniest thing and that picture just made all of us laugh.
Kat: Did his shirt that he had on in that picture, does it have a lot of flowers on it? Is it bold colors with flowers or something?
Amberly: I don't know
Kat: Because maybe I'm mistaking it for Hawaiian and what he's really showing me is just this bright colored shirt with all the flowers on it. But that's kind of what he's showing me, you know what I mean? It's a shirt that, to me, I would think it's Hawaiian but it's just flowers and a lot of colors.
Amberly: Maybe he did that cause he didn't want you to think he was a transvestite (laughing)
Kat: (Laughing) Possible ... it's very possible. ................................. I'm giving him a chance to recharge .................. does somebody have a name like -- this could be a nickname maybe not their actual given name, either/or -- but it's like star, moon, something that's galaxy oriented or sky oriented.
Kathy: No, I'm drawing a blank on that one.
Kat: Or is that the name of a pet maybe?
Kathy: No.............
Kat: It's like it has to do with celestial or has something to do with the sky
Mary: They used to call your dad Moon Man in the mill
Kathy: Oh yeah?
Mary: Cause he believed in flying saucers
Kathy: I don't think he would know that though
Mary: No, I don't think so
Amberly: Would he know things on the other side that he didn't know here?
Kat: Oh yes, definitely.
Kathy: Then maybe he's referring to his grandfather.
Kat: They do that stuff all the time and that's their way, once again, of just letting you know they've probably either connected with that person on the other side or they're able to see things like they give us stuff that's coming up in the future, too, you know, and they couldn't do that when they were here, but they're so unlimited there on the other side. What connects them is you ... you know, them to people that they didn't know. It's the bonds of love between you and them that help them make that connection. Is somebody still writing him letters even though he's crossed? I don't mean a journal, this is an actual letter.
Kathy: Not ... yeah, at the funeral. Many people put letters in his coat, could that be what he's referring to?
Kat: Yes, he's saying thank you for the letters but I get that he's already passed when these letters are written.
Kathy: Yes, there were several.
Kat: Honestly, it wasn't letter it was letters. He said, "I thank you for the letters." ................................. I'm not sure who this is addressed to, but he's acknowledging ... I think this has happened since he crossed ... either that or he's going down memory lane but regardless ... it's like he's talking about an event where somebody's driving in the car -- I think this is somebody either sitting in the room now listening or somebody that's close to you guys -- they're driving in a car and a car comes across their path and almost hits them because the other car can't stop. Do you know what he's referring to?
Mary: Yes
Kat: Cause he's like this other car shows no signs of stopping. But they're ok ... the person that Bryan knows, that is close to and is connected to him, is ok, they got out of it unscathed.
Mary: Right (This is about his Aunt Darlene ... you can read it on the Journal of Miracles page under February 18)
Mike: There's a connection here with what you said.
Kat: Ok, is there a university with his name on it?
Kathy: A university?
Kat: Does that make sense?
Kathy: No
Kat: I don't know ... I'm going to leave that with you. Maybe it's something that'll cross your paths later but he's saying there's a university with my name on it, if that makes sense.
Kathy: Unless he carved his name on one somewhere (laughing) that's possible
Kat: He's getting weak ... I know he's trying real hard to ramp up his energy cause I can still feel him there. I'm giving him an opportunity to see if he can continue talking ....
Amberly: I wanted to know if maybe ... I don't know if he can answer this but does he have any validations for me of anything that's happened?
Kat: Since he passed?
Amberly: Yes, since he's passed. Mostly I want to know ... I read a letter to him at the church service after he passed and I want to know if he heard it.
Kat: Oh, I'm sure he did
Amberly: Well, I know but I'm hoping that he can somehow validate it
Kat: Sure .. is this Amber I'm talking to? Do you know why he would ... he's not answering that specific or at least I don't think he is .... but he's talking about a fish??
Kathy: Oh my God!
Amberly: A fish?
Kat: Yeah
Amberly: OH MY GOD! I LOVE YOU BEANS!
Kathy: That's the one thing you could have said that would have validated it
Amberly: Oh my God! That is incredible!
Kat: What happened?
Amberly: In my letter I talked about the fish ...
Kat: In the letter you talked about the fish?!?
Amberly: Yep ... I called it the "biggun" ... me and Beans never caught it and it was weird because that's one of the only memories I mentioned about our childhood cause I could have written a novel. And that's one of the few things that I wrote about and read out loud at the church ... in the church I called it "that damn fish" eluded us every time.
Kat: Oh my God, that's awesome!
Amberly: I'm SOOO happy!
Kat: Holy crap!
Amberly: I am so happy!
Kat: Oh, man. (laughing)................ unbelievable .......................... I think that was his big hurrah.
Kathy: Does he have anything for his brother? Any messages for his brother?
Kat: Ok, let me see if he'll ...
Amberly: Or anything else for Amberly, I know I'm selfish
Kat: Ok, hey, it worked the last time ...... the only thing he's showing me is hot wheels.
Amberly: There's a picture of him and Cris on a Smurf big wheel.
Kat: As long as you know what he means by that, but I really think he's just getting weak guys. It's just hard for him to talk but I'll give him a minute to see if he can say anything else
Amberly: Please let him ...
Kat: Oh, I would never stop the process but remember you know how at the beginning, I said there were other people there with him but they were letting him take the stage? My experience with this tells me that they like give up their opportunity and lend Bryan their energy in order to give him ... that's what I meant when I said they gave him the stage.
Kathy: Aww
Kat: Which is really cool
Kathy: Yeah, that's really sweet.
Amberly: Do you know who they were? Or do they still have energy left after they give him their energy?
Kat: Oh, yeah, I can tell who they are but they don't speak or say anything.
Amberly: That's great! Who is it?
Kat: Well, I know one of them is Dad's mother, right, we said that in the beginning. And then the fireman and then the twins. Notice if you go back over your notes you'll notice when they came in ... like one came in at the beginning, one came in at the middle, and the twins came in at the end, so, I mean that's what they're doing, I guarantee you. Guys, I'm really not getting anything else. Where I get a lot of this information from, I mean not during the reading but in answering questions like that, like them lending Bryan energy, is by studying near-death experiences. Because those people have actually crossed over and then come back to tell about it. A good friend of mine, Larry Hastings, was pronounced dead for over 20 minutes and they had actually wheeled him into the morgue. They hadn't stuck him in the freezer yet, thank goodness, and then he came back to life.
Amberly: Oh my God!
Kat: So what he saw and learned in that experience is so similar to many other near-death experiences that I've either heard about, read about, or talked to those individuals specifically, you know, and if Tom, Dick and Harry are all telling me the same thing, I tend to lend that a lot of credibility, you know? And they say that very often regardless of how strong a spirit is, if it's the concensus on the other side that it's most important that that person speak they'll lend them their energy in order to be able to talk that long.
Amberly: That's incredible!
Kat: It's really something. Hey, I'm only as strong as he was and he was wonderful!
Kathy: He's been so strong since he passed, Kat, I've done a website for him
Kat: Oh, really?
Kathy: You know, when he kept referring to a book, I wondered if he was referring to ... I keep what is called a Journal of Miracles and we add to it daily with the signs he's giving to everybody
Kat: Oh, yeah, I'll bet that's what it is.
Kathy: It's several ... I'm not going to say a hundred pages long, but I don't know, printed out it might be. He's come through that strong for everybody.
Kat: Wow! That's awesome. Have you ever heard of Quit Kissing my Ashes by Judy Collier? That's a good book you might be interested in. A friend of mine wrote it.
Amberly: Quit Kissing my ASHES?
Kat: Uh huh .. it's Quit Kissing my Ashes.
Kathy: Is that on your website?
Kat: Yeah
Amberly: I kiss his ashes every day!
Kat: That's funny. Well, Judy had the same experience. Her son Kyle was killed in a car accident tragically and died suddenly ... she never got an opportunity to say goodbye and she just had ... from the minute he passed ... so many tremendous signs. And of course she sought out John and then talked to James Van Praagh also and several other mediums. But just her whole journey, like yourselves, in going through this grieving process and then being able to have such a strong connection with Kyle because their love bond was so strong when he was here and then it continued on the other side ... it's amazing. But it's an interesting read given all the signs that you're getting, obviously it would be nice to compare to see if some are similar or you know ... that's how you learn.
Kathy: Yeah, it's been absolutely amazing to all of us. I did order your book but I haven't gotten it yet.
Kat: Oh, you did? Well it usually takes like 2 days once its ... cause they do mail it out 2-day delivery and it's usually mailed out the same day they get the order, so you should probably get it ... I don't know when you ordered it.
Amberly: I have a question for you. When you were saying that when he chose to leave this earth and cross over, now, did you mean that in the interim was he faced with a choice to come back or go or did you mean that ..
Kat: The way I got it from him, Amberly is that yes, he was faced with an opportunity, and he chose ... he thought it would be better for him ... so I don't know what kind of physical condition his body was in had he had to stay in it or if ... it was just .... my personal perception is that whatever lessons that he was supposed to accomplish in this lifetime, he had already done that. And it might have happened sooner than what his soul had anticipated and that might have been part of the reason why he passed suddenly but that's why he was also indicating that he gave signs on a soul's level that he was gonna go even though his passing was sudden.
Amberly: So it wasn't that he crossed himself over ...
Kat: No, no, I didn't get suicide or anything like that
Amberly: Great ... just to let you know I guess at this point it makes sense, I'd like you to go check out the website that my mom did. Also, he did die of a heroin injection, so he was a heroin addict, he suffered with it, but he tried so hard to stay away from it. At the very end there, he wasn't using very often and when he was, he wasn't injecting it. What killed him is that for whatever reason, that night, he decided to inject it and that's what killed him and he still had the needle in his hand.
Kat: Oh, Ok
Amberly: So the rare blood thing might have been that it was a hot shot of heroin or ... but you did say specifically traveled through the blood and that's exactly what happened.
Kat: That makes sense
Amberly: He may not have been able to breathe at that point when his body went into shock ...
Kathy: When I found him in the morning, Kat, he was face down into the mattress and the first thing I thought was, "Oh my God, he's suffocating, he can't breathe."
Kat: Right ... so that makes sense why he would bring that up then.
Kathy: Yeah so that all makes so much sense to me.
Kat: You know, it's interesting that he didn't take responsibility. A lot of times they'll say it's their responsibilty they crossed themselves over even if it's not suicide but something similar to what Bryan, like how he passed, and he didn't say that, so I think he's already come to terms with that ... that's my perception based on the readings I've done and the way they say or don't say certain information.
Kathy: Well, it sounds like his sense of humor was pretty much intact tonight.
Kat: Oh, yes, definitely. (laughing)
Kathy: It sounds like he's pretty happy there.
Kat: Very happy! I mean I didn't ...if he was not at peace in any way here, it certainly did not come through in the reading. I got that he loved his family very much ... I mean, that would have been the farthest thing from my mind.
Amberly: He was happy. He had the greatest life and the greatest friends and we know he loved everyone so much.
Kat: You know, because of the counseling I do too, please know I'm very educated about heroin use and I know that it's really ... it gets to a point where it's sometimes ... it's just not their choice.
Kathy: Right, exactly, that's where it was with him. In fact, you mentioned the project that he was in the middle of or getting ready to do ... he was supposed to go to Florida to live in a sober-living environment and he was scheduled to leave 3 days after this happened.
Kat: Oh ... my God ...
Kathy: It was the second time we had made the reservation for him there so that's kind of like why he was saying he was sorry he didn't do it or whatever that was ...
Kat: And then that makes sense now that he is in a sense ... see, I didn't know it at the time, but he was addressing that whole situation in what he did. That's wild! That's awesome!
Amberly: So he was referring to heroin addiction and all that?
Kat: No, no, not to me but to you guys because you understood the message, you know, with regards to him supposed to leave for Florida and all that
Amberly: Yeah, he had his bags packed, the plane ticket was bought, his suitcase was in his room, he was ready to go. A lot of his friends have his shirt and it's funny because he and Jason used to always battle over clothes, they would always share clothes, and Bryan always said to him, "Don't ever take my belt ... you're not allowed to wear my belt." We have given that since to Jay.
Kat: That's awesome. That's so cool.
Amberly: That he acknowedged the clothing thing with him ... like that's their main thing together
Kat: Well, the fish thing is ... that and the big party after the funeral I mean he just said so many awesome things tonight.
Kathy: I was sitting here looking at my notes and I had written "THANK YOU FOR VALENTINE'S DAY" ... he always used to give me a Valentine's gift, even if it was just picking a wild flower, and about a week before Valentine's Day, I wondered how is he going to give me a present this year? Well he managed to give me like four separate things and three of them came through the mail and several things weren't even supposed to be here for another week and they all came that day.
Kat: Wow! So that's why you were so surprised. That's so awesome! ............................ Well, I am sincerely sorry for your loss and I am so glad that he was so strong today and came through.
Kathy: Is this something we can do again?
Kat: Sure
Kathy: Is there a certain length of time?
Kat: You know, people ask me that and I think you have to go with your gut instincts on that and what you feel. I mean if it were every week I'd tell you no, that's too much. But just go with your gut instincts and when you think it's the right time again then do it again. There are many people that I ... you know I have this gallery that I do here in Dallas and some people show up week after week .... they're certainly not read every week ... but they're still involved in the experience and a lot of times their relatives will come back. Like I had this ... it's just all over the map, there's just no real way to answer that question because like one time this family was sitting there and they came for several weeks in a row and every week they were getting a message from the same person. And then for the longest time it trailed off and they didn't hear from that person and then it started up again. And then some people will sit there for weeks and not get read. People that I do over the phone or that come to my office privately sometimes they'll come month after month and sometimes they'll hear from the same people and sometimes they'll hear from different people. So it's really all over the map. Go with your gut instincts ... go with your intuition and take it from there.
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